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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:27 pm

What about Deceived Malgus?

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:29 pm

Eh, still not sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:47 pm

What if it's Malgus, and a slightly lower tier vs Dooku and someone of similar skill.

Even out the teams that way, instead of finding fighters that are precisely the same tier.
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:03 pm

It's possible, sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:02 pm

I'm fine with a brawl.
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:41 pm

Mr. Bossk wrote:
I did an entire section in the blog dedicated to explaining how you can use both sources without intermingling them incorrectly.

And nothing you said contradicts my point.

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:44 pm

Mandarin wrote:
The moment ILS stops using TCW or the movie novels as a source for Legends arguments is the moment his argument becomes valid, tbh.

So let's stop arguing all go back to Sidious blitzing Maul, shall wez?

This point?

I don't use TCW or Movie novels as a source for Legends arguments any more.

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:57 am

Why are we debating this in this thread of all places? lol

I'll try and broaden my range of characters for more challenge options:

- 52 BBY Palpatine (or TPM/RotS, really, but I prefer that version - and I could run RotJ/DE as well but I'd prefer not to)
- Darth Tyranus
- Saba Sebatyne
- Jedi Exile (as of KotOR II, but obviously Revan feats allowed since she more or less was depowered)
- Exar Kun, maybe
- Darth Plagueis
- Mara Jade Skywalker
- Jaina Solo
- Lumiya

If anybody wants to challenge me with more obscure characters, I could make an argument for ancient Sith (Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos), Darth Tenebrous, or even TOR protags, but really, I'd prefer to keep away from them.
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:13 am

Mr. Bossk wrote:
Mandarin wrote:
The moment ILS stops using TCW or the movie novels as a source for Legends arguments is the moment his argument becomes valid, tbh.

So let's stop arguing all go back to Sidious blitzing Maul, shall wez?

This point?

I don't use TCW or Movie novels as a source for Legends arguments any more.
So you are proposing that we divide Legends and Canon into seperate debate spaces then... Maybe
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:16 am

Beniboybling wrote:
Mr. Bossk wrote:
Mandarin wrote:
The moment ILS stops using TCW or the movie novels as a source for Legends arguments is the moment his argument becomes valid, tbh.

So let's stop arguing all go back to Sidious blitzing Maul, shall wez?

This point?

I don't use TCW or Movie novels as a source for Legends arguments any more.
So you are proposing that we divide Legends and Canon into seperate debate spaces then... Maybe

No, I'm saying I wouldn't take Maul shrugging off a kick from Grievous in Son of Dathomir and use it as an argument for why he can shrug off a kick from Legends Grievous. I couldn't use a Canon event to build an argument for a Legends character who has nothing to do with said event.

Am I to assume the constant prodding for double standards where there are none is an attempt to get around arguments that can't be countered?

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:30 am

OK, but under what conditions will anybody be using "Legends Grievous"? If anybody brings Grievous into a debate say as a result of one of these challenges, they are going to look to Canon Grievous feats first and foremost. Unless of course they say OCW Grievous, but we all know that a kick from him is not a kick from say TCW Grievous because it is an evidently inaccurate, exaggerated and abstract potrayal.

And am I to assume that your constant search for ulterior motives reflects personal insecurities as a result of childhood trauma?
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:37 am

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OK, but under what conditions will anybody be using "Legends Grievous"?

If anybody brings Grievous into a debate say as a result of one of these challenges, they are going to look to Canon Grievous feats first and foremost.

Unless of course they say OCW Grievous, but we all know that a kick from him is not a kick from say TCW Grievous because it is an evidently inaccurate, exaggerated and abstract potrayal.

Under the condition that they're accounting for Legends feats in a debate? Don't we do that around here? We do.

I mean, it's up to us what portrayal of the characters we want to use. I'm, again, just saying, I don't mix Canon with Legends when it comes to structuring arguments, i.e "yeah, well, Maul tanked a kick from Grievous in SoD so he shouldn't have any trouble from him in this fight" "That was Canon Grievous, not Legends Grievous. Legends Grievous has better strength feats." The red would be me using a double standard, the blue is how I would point out that double standard. That was Mandarin's issue - claiming I have double standards.

As long as you agree that a kick from Legends Grievous is different from a kick from Canon Grievous, we're on the same page. That was the issue at hand Up

Beni wrote:
And am I to assume that your constant search for ulterior motives reflects personal insecurities as a result of childhood trauma.

Yes, yes you should Maybe

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:43 am

Where does ILS rank Anakin now, tbh.

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:13 pm

Mr. Bossk wrote:
Under the condition that they're accounting for Legends feats in a debate? Don't we do that around here? We do.

I mean, it's up to us what portrayal of the characters we want to use. I'm, again, just saying, I don't mix Canon with Legends when it comes to structuring arguments, i.e "yeah, well, Maul tanked a kick from Grievous in SoD so he shouldn't have any trouble from him in this fight" "That was Canon Grievous, not Legends Grievous. Legends Grievous has better strength feats." The red would be me using a double standard, the blue is how I would point out that double standard. That was Mandarin's issue - claiming I have double standards.

As long as you agree that a kick from Legends Grievous is different from a kick from Canon Grievous, we're on the same page. That was the issue at hand Up
I see, so this would be posited on the notion that Legends Grievous is different from Canon Grievous.

Which is incorrect.  Victory
Mr. Bossk wrote:
And am I to assume that your constant search for ulterior motives reflects personal insecurities as a result of childhood trauma.
Interesting, then I'll be sure to ignore all similar remarks in the future.
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:15 pm

Mandarin wrote:
Where does ILS rank Anakin now, tbh.

I mean, my views on this whole thing aren't changing as long as I believe in them, but I guess I'll need to re-assess some characters.

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:19 pm

Beni wrote:
I see, so this would be posited on the notion that Legends Grievous is different from Canon Grievous.

Which is incorrect.  Victory

Well, if you want, you could make a Canon vs Legends Grievous thread. In this case, we would exclusively compare Canon Grievous to Legends Grievous. Make no mistake they are different, but, whether that means they are of a different ability is up to interpretation.

Personally? I agree there isn't a big difference there, when accounting for Stover's descriptions of Grievous in RotS, which is Canon.. mostly. There are some parts like Grievous throwing security consoles I don't remember from the movie Maybe

But, yeah.

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:35 pm

Its not really the possibility of a difference between Grievous' portrayal in Canon and Grievous' potrayal in Legends differ that I am in contention with, but the notion that Legends holistically differs at all.

In some cases perhaps, in most cases no. I think for that reason a blanket division should be avoided, in exchange for dealing with the material on a case by case basis. But that is a discussion for another time, and an argument I'll elaborate on in my proper "rebuttal".
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:56 pm

Make a separate thread for this argument, please.
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:57 pm

There is one. :p

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:57 pm

I just didn't post on it. Huehue
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:59 pm

Well, do that.
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:56 pm

Sel, did you pick someone for the match yet?

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:36 pm

I forgot what the match was.

Is Fisto already being used? After the hate on him on KMC, I feel like a Fisto match. If not, Ti.
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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:38 pm

The match was Plo/___ vs Nihl and Corran, IIRC.

So, your choice on who to go with.

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PostSubject: Re: Challenge Thread   Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:39 pm

Would Fisto work for you?
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